that's all for us tonight. ac 360 starts at 11:00 tonight. now let's get "to the point." tonight, you know the news. now, it's time to "get to the point" with cnn's margaret hoover. >> i spent years working in washington, including two years in the white house. i wrote a national best selling book about how to save the republican party. >> donny deutsch. >> i'm chairman of deutsch incorporated. author of never wrong, never in doubt. >> i'm an espn columnist and author.

i've been covering the world of sports for 30 years, life is just like sports, only with less padding. >> jason taylor. >> i play professional football for 15 years. i played football and baseball. i majored in political science and criminal justice. >> and alicia menendez. >> for years i worked in washington making sure more young people, latinos and women are involved in our democratic process. i want us to have a conversation about what it means to be an american. let's "get to the point." hi, everyone. welcome to "the point." we will be here all week, and you already know the headlines. there's a lot to get to tonight. alicia? >> the ap has new wording around illegal immigration, i'm wondering, is this a tipping point for america? >> my point is about college kids that can't handle rejection. are we raising a generation of whiners? >> no. >> yes. >> my point is about bill o'reilly.

is same sex marriage dividing the gop? >> i hope so. >> my point is, why did it take them so long to fire that rutgers basketball coach who was caught on tape abusing his players? >> my issue is jay-z, is he america's greatest businessman? >> no. >> yes, we're going to talk about it. >> we're going to get to the top story of the evening, mark sanford who has won his runoff. the question is, is adultery becoming okay? have we totally forgiven adultery? or does it even matter any more. >> he cheated on his wife. he disappeared for six days. >> where did he go again? >> he said he was hiking the appalachian trail, but he was in buenos aires. that's a little bit south of the appalachian trail. >> i think it matters to people because here you have someone who has built his entire career

on faith. he made a moral judgment about who other people should be able to have sex with, who they should be able to love. and now we know he can win again. >> he interviewed -- jake tapper interviewed him today. we're going to hear what he said to jake tapper. >> i think the political opponents want to make any event define your life. what i think we find, whether it's you, me or anyone out there, we'll have events where we wish we could have done things differently or handled them better. ultimately, they refine our lives, make us a much better person. maybe walk out into the arena of politics more humble than we were before. >> it helped me. this guy is the god of philanderer, this is the guy. he's going to get his old job back, probably. he has the woman he cheated with with him there. he asked his ex-wife to run his campaign. it's like nothing ever happened. >> let me say why he may not be dead.

the real crime was leaving the office for adultery. there's a scandal continuum in this country. we're so used to hearing about movie stars who make children with their maids. adultery, almost 50% of the people do in this country. it's wrong, but somehow we may be a little more desensitized too. except it's south carolina. that's his problem. >> you're wrong on two points. mark sanford is no philanderer. he's a guy who fell in love with another woman. not a good thing when you're married and you have four children and you're governor. there are a lot of philandering politicians, i've met them. i have met mark sanford, too. he's not a philandering guy. to the point, you're wrong. you said philanderer, as if he has a propensity for this. let me tell you the second point where you're wrong. he's running a campaign which is -- he's running for

redemption. this is the mark sanford apology tour. because it is important to south carolina voters, because they're more religious, this matters to them. by asking for their votes, he's asking for redemption. and the question -- this is generally a safe republican seat which may end up going to a democrat. stephen colbert's sister is running for the seat of democrat. and she's pulling ahead or even with him which is unheard of, because maybe she'll get the women's vote. the women in south carolina are not quite ready to vote for mark sanford. >> he'll lose a majority of the female vote. >> i think america as a whole is a forgiving nation. i understand the further you get away from a situation, the more people forget and forgive. this is wrong, in some people's minds, but i think we forgive. the man made a mistake. we're not going to make light of that, adultery is wrong. if you're looking at someone like bill clinton, who did it while in office. the highest office in our

nation. people liked him, so i think he -- it was a little easier for people to forgive him. this is not adultery, but people do not like lance armstrong, so they're ready to crucify lance armstrong. >> bill clinton went on an apology tour and he got his wife on his side. and they stayed together. he apologized. >> in the days post monica, he spent a lot of his life apologizing for that. >> what we can't stand is the eliot spitzers who are holier than thow commit adultery. to your point, there is a difference although wrong. this was a guy who fell in love and blew up his life. that's a flaw that a lot of people can relate to. what's working against him is a bigger picture in this country. you know the mid-'70s, half the country thought adultery could possibly be okay? we've actually, as we're getting more progressive toward gay marriage, it's going the other way, as far as adultery.

and the reason that's happening,because people are blaming divorce for -- >> you don't think that's because more women are now adulterers? >> we've gotten more conservative in that area, we're getting more progressive in the gay area. >> where are all these christians in the south carolina who fight against same-sex marriage because it's not in the bible and now they're voting for this guy? >> it was the ordinary, we'll see what they do in the general. >> speaking of politics. president obama today came out and said he's going to give back 5% of his salary, retro back to march 1st. 5% of $400,000. my point is as a leader, doh, of course, you do that. does he get any points with the average person out there who's suffering, really feeling the pain in the budget cuts? >> no, he won't get any points for it. it's the right thing to do as a leader, it's more symbolic and kind of a pr move. the amount of money is not astronomical, it's not going to affect his lifestyle. the people that are suffering

from budget cuts, whether it be at the airports or the department of defense, i don't think you're going to win any points for it. i like the move. i understand the move. >> and we all know a perception level where he won this election. people felt like he understood their lives, their economic realities, that he got them. i think this doubles down on that narrative. >> that is incredible. the point is, 5% of $400,000, most of these guys getting furloughed are making 50,000 or 80,000 dollars. it takes an act of congress to lower the president's salary. that's why he's making a charitable contribution at the end of each month. >> he's like the discover card, you get 5% back from the guy. >> i think it would be better if he gave 5% of his whole salary. chuck hagel is giving back two weeks salary. he makes five times his salary, because he started a cellular company, he was an investment banker. you want to really do something for people, give back 5% of your

whole salary the way these government workers are. >> one point, one question. go ahead. >> i think the point,congress follows his lead. >> yeah, that's a great. >> and here -- to that point, our leader seems to be following other people. the two boldest things he's done. not boldest, he didn't come out for gay marriage until biden did it and he didn't make this move until hagel did it. >> for whatever that's worth. >> i don't think congress follows his lead. congress makes a lot less money than he does. members of congress make about $180,000. but they have to carry two residences, they live in two cities, they travel a lot. >> not all of them have other ways of making money. although i think the ethics rules prevent them from making money other ways. i personally think the point is that barack obama should donate back this money and put it toward the white house tours so the white house tours that have been cancelled. now the kids can go for their spring breaks.

>> that's genius! i like that. >> you like that? >> in 2011. >> we're in a recession, and we're all worried about the white house tours. >> in 2011, the nfl had a lockout. the commissioner, roger goodell, took a pay cut. he went down to $1. players weren't being paid. coaches went on furlough. administrative people were being put on furloughs. he worked for $1 during the lockout. president obama is going to be okay, and roger goodell was okay. he made $29 million last year, it's a great -- >> the point is, it's a great symbol, but -- >> my point is, the symbolism doesn't solve anything. there's almost a little elitist -- >> one thing, bush would have taken the time off. i wanted to say that. >> in three days on this show, we've gotten a little rough with each other, but not near as rough as the video you're going to see when we come back "on the point."

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did you guys see this video that espn ran? they uncovered the video. mike rice, the rutgers coach, here he is, he's just abusing his own players, throwing balls at them, calling them all kinds of names. he makes bobby knight look like mr. rogers. he got fired today, and well he should. look at some of these things he's doing. he hits a guy in the head. [ bleep ]. >> a little homophobic epithet for you. >> that odor you're smelling is coaches burning tape all over the nation. the question is, the a.d. got this tape in late november and

yet he's just now fired today. what took so long? >> i want to know how the a.d. and president still have their jobs. did we not live through -- not that this is the same thing as joe paterno. but how did these guys, they saw this, they gave him a little bit of a fine, a 50 -- $50,000 fine. they gave him some time off. and these are children. these are children. how do either of those men still have their job. >> the a.d., tim burnetti, who i think should be fired for this, got the tape in november. he said he just gave it to the president this week. the president formed a committee or investigators. who needs a committee. >> in new jersey, at rutgers, a student killed himself. i don't remember this. he was abused for being gay. and someone used a web cam to show him having gay sex. this got the state of new jersey to enact some of the toughest

bullying laws in the country. this guy should be highly aware of what's going on. >> viral video is holding rutgers accountable. >> good. >> in an age of 24 hour video and the age of all of these videos, i wonder if viral video and videos are not holding us to a higher standard of behavior. >> it shouldn't take viral video to hold these people accountable. >> the president knew about this when he was suspended three games. no president of any university is going to watch his basketball team take the floor and their head coach not be there and not understand why he was not there. so the president he needs to be held accountable in this as well. the question i have -- the point i have, is the players are in a very tough situation. we sit here and look at it in agreement, if this had happened to me, there's no way. >> did it?

>> has it? >> it has happened to me before with a great great football coach. >> give us his name. >> were you a professional? >> i was. >> i've done this before in the media, jimmie johnson and i got into it once. >> you're a professional, not that it's okay. these are 18, 19-year-old kids. >> and it was still wrong for the coach -- for a coach at any level to grab a player or hit a player. >> what did he do? >> he grabbed me, i pushed him off. he grabbed me again. i pushed him off. i said, don't touch me again. he threw me out of the game. a few minutes later i gave him a halfway apology. we talked about it, all was well. these are amateurs. i coach youth sports at home. i coach black football and lacrosse. and i hear coaches to 8, 9, 10-year-old kids cursing, using the f word. i've gone up to coaches and told them, look, i don't speak to my kids this way, there's no reason for you to speak to them this way. it's a shame a video had to come

out for this guy to be fired. not in november. but espn did it yesterday and finally got this guy fired. >> there seemed to be f words in there. >> there were epithets. >> if you use the n word you would be fired as well you should be. i mean, this is atrocious. >> while we're on the topic of gay rights, we have an unlikely ally, bill o'reilly taking rush limbaugh and his compatriot laura ingram to task. let's take a listen. >> the compelling argument is on the side of homosexuals. that's where the compelling argument is. we're americans we just want to be treated like everybody else. that is a compelling argument, and to deny that, you have to have a very strong argument on the other side. >> and the argument -- >> the other side hasn't been able to do anything but thump the bible. >> well. >> so -- >> how many of you who watch fox are bible thumpers?

do you think there are any bible thumpers quote/unquote that watch fox? last night you were sort of marginalized on "the factor." >> i think when you said they have to do more than bible thump. i don't think you really needed to say that. >> no, no, no. wait, wait, wait. >> let me finish here. >> no, no, no, we're going to get very specific as i told you. >> i'll get specific if you let me talk. can i finish my sentence? >> no. >> may i? >> you make two statements that are fallacious and i'm going to correct them. >> there's no feud between me and limbaugh, i don't talk to limbaugh, i've never said anything about limbaugh on this program. >> i'm talking about the feud about the issue. >> can we -- >> don't you miss the paternalism of bill o'reilly. >> you and i both had great days with bill o'reilly. >> this is a growing pains for the right. it's an important conversation, and it's time for them to have.

>> i've been working on this issue from the center right for a long time. the truth is, there's no -- people like to say there's a civil war in the gop. people in the gop, they know there's no civil war. the truth is, this is way more of a generational issue than it is a partisan issue. you take 52% of republicans under the age of 50 are in favor of same sex marriage. this is more generational -- day by day, they're dropping one by one. we had rob portman, perhaps susan collins who seems to be thinking about this as well. that's reflective of the direction the country is going. people ever thinking abouted issue, they're thinking about the gay people in their lives and they're thinking of marriage as a religious issue but a civil issue. under the eyes of the law, the argument that people are making, everyone should have a right to be married under the law. but religion, you can do your own thing. >> i take it you buy that?

>> this is a demographic certainty. it's not even up for discussion anymore. when you look at things, for instance, that 72% of hispanics voted democrat. we now see 33% of people who have changed their mind on same sex marriage, this is no longer -- and i think what o'reilly is hinting at is that guys, this is basically a business decision at this point. it's not even up for discussion. if we ever want to -- >> i want to take a shower after watching all those guys. >> let me finish. let me finish. that it is not up for discussion. if a republican ever wants to get elected in a general election again, they've got to move off these social issues. that is a polling situation. >> how do you get there, talking about the wing of the party that is more libertarian? >> i think there's a lot of conversations happening within the context of the republican party. about how the republican party is going to reform. i think rand paul has laid out the path forward.

some people disagree with that approach. look, i don't like saying this is a settled issue. it doesn't give americans room to breathe and have a conversation about it. that's what we need to move on an issue. it's okay if there's disagreement even around this table on the issue. the important thing is to have thoughtful conversations about it. >> is the gop having that? is there a civil war in the gop. >> look. i work on this issue religiously. no pun intended. and. >> i think the republicans need advice. very simple, they have to redefine conservatism. conservatism at its core is about rugged individualism. >> did you read my book? >> yes. >> but no, listen to me. it's about individualism. >> i'm going to give you a hint. >> was it reagan? >> hoover? >> my grandfather. >> whoever has a great grandfather who was president of the united states raise your hand.

her, this is herbert hoover's great granddaughter. we're going to listen to this. >> but you're missing the whole point of all of this, which is on the left, it's great to watch the republicans come apart. it's a mess. the only reason that i would praise bill o'reilly is that he's at least open minded. he changed on the iraq war, he changed on same sex marriage, he changed on immigration. you ever hear limbaugh change anything? at least this guy has the guts to say, i was wrong. this is the guy that said, next, you'll marry goats, now he's for it. >> let me tell you something. this will lead into our next segment. the ap is changing, the ap is changing. we have a tipping point. it's wednesday, we have a tipping point segment. we're going to get to it when we come back. so it's wednesday, we have our tipping point segment on

so it's wednesday, we have our tipping point segment on wednesday. we're halfway through the week. ? we always do it on wednesday. >> we always do it on wednesday. >> the question is, ap has changed its style guide. they have struck permanently the term illegal immigrants from their style guide. they will no longer use it anywhere else. they will also incidentally no longer use it in any document. do you have a problem with this? >> i like words that are descriptive. tese words are fine. i don't see a big problem with changing this. >> you see the problem with illegal alien? >> yes, i didn't say alien. it's all euphemism. i hear people have trouble with undocumented immigrant because they have documents. just not the ones that get them

into this country free. my question is, what's next. we don like that, how about unprocessed, foot traveling visitor. we could do alternative border entry guest? what's next. >> you call them undocumented. and i think my friends who don't have papers would degree with your assessment. when you want to have a conversation about comprehensive immigration reform, it is impossible when you think of the people that you are talking about, the 11 million, 12 million people living in the shadows of america, as those who are themselves illegal. did they do something? no, absolutely not. >> you can't move the conversation to people that are stuck on that "law & order" case. >> we don't mean he's all pro in kitchen, it was football. >> let me challenge the word. we all say it's just words until it's words about us. >> okay. >> and that's very interesting. i've gotten caught. i've said things that offended people. i was like, i didn't mean it that way, they were just words.

but to them. >> the difference,are you talking about words that describe a person or an action? >> and you're a pro football player. are you a pro? >> used to be. i try to be a pro at everything i do. i understand there's sensitivities to the words that are being used. if it's offensive, we'll try to change it. i think the ap made a good move in the right direction. >> did they go too far. they're not even going to use. at cnn we used unauthorized worker. if the a.p. is not even going to do that, is that going too far? >> no, because they're authorized by lots of american businesses. >> i'm going to give you -- >> they're not going to use the word undocumented either. >> whatever -- you're not going to call us americans? >> what are you going to call them? >> strategically, if you're on the right, interestingly enough. and you feel very firm, the less offensive you're referring, the more room you have to make -- get things done. you're not putting them at

corners, so ironically, if you're fighting against immigration, tone down the rhetoric and actually call them the most positive thing. >> and it doesn't seem as if you're going after them. >> not touching the gay issue in sports. imagine jik johnson -- magic johnson's son is gay. is this a tipping point now that one of the greatest stars of our time is pretty much, of course, coming out? what's the problem? jason, there's been so much about not touching the gay issue in sports? is this the tipping point that

one of the sports largest players' son has come out? >> i think any time a lebron james, kobe bryant, people who can move the needle on social issues or fashion. or what's cool to do, swag so to speak issues, i think it's a big tipping point. we expect magic johnson to support his son. he and his wife should support their son. i think it's great kobe came out and stood up there and -- kobe is a household name all over the country, all over the world. for kobe to come out and do this, i think is fantastic. you're going to say, kobe's a laker, he's friends with magic, and all that. >> no, what i was going to say. kobe was a guy who called the f word and got disciplined by the nba. he had to take some training classes, he's come around on it, much like bill o'reilly on same sex marriage. so he's very sensitive about the gay thing, he went out of his way to say this yesterday and today. i'm not saying he's disingenuous. i'm just saying, know where that

comes from. >> what about if he prefaced it with all of these other things, it's not fair to kobe bryant. >> i understand, people change. >> i want to ask you a point. a lot of people said, oh, if an openly gay player came out in a locker room, it would affect the locker room. you've been in locker rooms your whole life, if all of a sudden a miami dolphin or new york jet said he likes guys, is there any player that's going to care at this point sn >> there's a segment of professional sports that still has an issue with it. we saw it evidenced in the super bowl, some of the pre-super bowl interviews and when it came up, i would like to think the majority of guys would be understanding nowadays, more tolerant, people do things differently in life. and let's find a way to make it work. we can't keep excluding people for doing things we don't like. >> from your house -- >> we all the have had regrets this is a tipping point

question. tattoos, there was this guy, ryan cabrera, he got a ryan gosling tattoo. here's what happened. they were playing a thing in vegas called tattoo roulette. you get drunk. i pick your tattoo for you, you pick your tattoo for me. we can't look until it's done. he ends up with a ryan gosling tattoo. my question is, is everybody going to realize how dumb some tattoos are? >> i shope. what would you pick for me? don't answer that, go ahead. >> does anyone have a tattoo on the panel? >> i should because i'm a millennial, but i don't. >> 40% of millennials have a tattoo, 20% of them have more than one. the majority of them are small and they're also hidden. they're in very discrete places, ankles, necks, bellybutton. >> i do not have a family tattoo. >> i have a family tattoo. every male in our family has the same tattoo. >> what is it? >> it's our family crest from ireland.

>> we're not stripping down. >> we're going to go off family crests and talk about families. with a lot of kids that didn't get into college, a young woman wrote an op ed piece complaining about not getting into college. a lot of parents complaining to admissions officers, why didn't we get in. are we a nation of whiners when we come back? it's the one you store in the freezer. same medicated pain reliever used by physical therapists. that's chilly! [ male announcer ] bengay zero degrees. freeze and move on.

guys, fascinating story out there, new york university, the kids just all got their college acceptances or rejections this week. new york university has said there's been thousands and thousands and thousands of angry phone calls from parents, how could my kid not get in? >> like a record number? >> like insane. kids calling up. to me, it brings up an issue, is this generation today so entitled that rejection can't even be an option? i run an ad agency. i've seen generation of kids come through, i do see a difference in today's kids that they expect the corner office at the beginning. i don't know if they've been reading about billionaires at the age of 24. are kids today just more entitled and more spoiled? >> there's been a lot of research about the millennial generation. there's a lot of very good things about them. one things people say, they have grown up in an environment is they all got a trophy for showing up. it's the trophy participation generation.

you can see how that might fuel the sentiment. i did everything right, how come i didn't get into this college? then this mock outrage. >> why aren't you blaming the parents? >> i do blame the parents. >> we can't have dodgeball in gym class because somebody might be out. my sister is an elementary school principal. she said no one plays tag anymore because one person is out. it's like, now everybody plays duck duck duck. nobody's a goose. you know what i mean? the parents are the ones. >> it's not just the parents. >> every kid is gifted and talented. >> it's not just the parents. for those of us who grew up in the '80s, we wore our seat belts. all of these safety laws when we were coming of age. we have this risk aversion, and it's shaped our views on foreign policy. and our thoughts on ourselves and whether we deserve to get into some of these elite

institutions. you have to know how to manage these millennials. if you're an employer, take that, harness it, make it work for you. >> that is the millennial attitude incarnate. >> i've employed thousands of young people over the last 25 years. there is a difference today. you're going to have to trust me on it. there is. i also think there's -- you brought up a point about parents. there's a fine line. we all want to tell our kids they can do anything, and they're the greatest. you want to build them up, but there is a line between, no, you can't do everything and there is a reality, and you're not going to always win. >> we all want to be. there's a problem when parents want to be their kids best friends. everyone wants to be their kids. some parents want to be their kids best friends. your job is to be a parent. part of parenting is building them up. encouraging them, telling them they can be whatever they want to be, but also having to deal with adversity. why can't you be told no?

trust me, i've seen plenty of kids around this world that cannot be told no. when you tell them no, they go crazy. you didn't get into nyu. >> really? >> if you ask who -- you should have applied to princeton anyway. you applied to the wrong school. >> i hope my mother's watching. she always says it's her fault i'm ruined for life, because she told me how great i am. >> interesting quote. "wall street journal", young lady named susie lee weiss wrote to the "wall street journal." colleges tell you just be yourself. that is great advice as long as your self has nine extra kur rick cue lars, killer sat scores, and two moms. to me, that's spoiled milk. >> that's how you grow. >> you also want to go to a college where you belong. if you they don't want you, you don't want them. >> you go, girl. >> it shapes how you do

business. they're coming out of school soon. >> i coached little league baseball for 13 years. i was hitting ground balls to a kid. and he wasn't doing it, he couldn't do it. i was trying to get him comfortable with it. his mother came out into the field and said, you're singling out my kid and you're destroying his confidence. >> that's helicopter parenting. >> these parents are calling the admissions office of nyu and saying, how could you possibly leave my child out? >> welcome to the real world. >> these kids, these 17-year-old kids that are coming into college, they didn't get in. welcome to the real world. >> welcome to the real world. >> you will be rejected again >> you have to love them enough to let them fail. >> there's crime in the real world, right? >> yesterday there was a huge crime right in broad daylight. jay z did it, we'll tell you what happened. #%tia[

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number one free agent next year. his contract is done this year. the question is, jay-z as an agents, all the other things he's done right. the clothing, marrying beyonce, fabulous artist, owning part of the brooklyn nets. can he be a sports agent? >> he can be a part owner of a successful sports agency. he's a brilliant guy. he grew up in brooklyn, drugs. now as far as i'm concerned as a brander, is the ultimate symbol of american accessible success. this is a guy at every level, his business strategy has been brilliant. he understands that because he owns that essence, that when he puts it next to any business, whether it is a clothing line, whether it is a sports agency, a, it's going to open up every door in the world. b, he's putting his name next to the brooklyn nets. it's cool.

he's finding the right business partners. he tried to steal someone from my agency to go into business with. true story. that's the brilliance of his strategy. partner up with the right people. is he going to be negotiating contracts? no, but he will own a very successful sports agent. >> does that mean he's learned the lessons of master p? >> did he learn the lessons of master p? >> he negotiated ricky williams contract. he was a former running back of university of texas. it was a disaster, a horrible deal. he was in unchartered waters, a little deeper than he could handle and it turned out poorly. jay-z understands what he can and can't do. he's a partner with caa, a very established sports agency, that represents some of the top athletes in our country. jay-z has a fantastic story. he is part of the brooklyn nets, the same streets where he was selling drugs, before. where he had been arrested for selling drugs, came all the way up through the ladder, you know,

and now -- music career, clothing line, beyonce, he aligns himself with barack obama. if you ask me, at the inauguration, jay-z and beyonce were the stars. >> jay-z for president. >> jay-z may not be able to run for president because the right side would probably tear him down but -- >> why do you say that? >> did i say that? was that my outside voice? >> i think republicans would love jay-z. let me just say. >> let me tell you why he has the potential to make billions and billions and billions. i had a partner at the ad agency, russell simmons, what that allowed me to do, called budweis budweiser, because jay-z the superstar, he will continue to partner with tech companies, what not, he will end up with billions and billions. he will be one of the great business leaders of our time. >> to me, i think the story is in the symbolism, you have this modern american dream come to fruition.

the question is, is he america's greatest new age businessman? >> no. come on, guys. let's -- he's not. >> you just built him up, now you're tearing him down. >> he's brilliant at what he does, but i don't think he will go down as america's greatest business -- >> he's certainly pop culture's greatest businessman. >> i think he's the greatest symbol about american pop culture but he's not america's greatest businessman. >> you know what he can do? he put lebron james name in a lyric, he's put a lot of athletes names in lyrics. sign with me, i'll put you in a song. >> sounds trashy. >> i don't know how far that goes. >> if you were hiring someone to run apple or procter & gamble, would jay z be your guy? >> no. >> he's a huge celebrity. capitalize on the celebrity. >> absolutely. >> you know what his marketing pitch is to these athletes? he's going after these athletes who haven't won titles and promising to put a ring on it.

>> where do we even go from there? >> i have no idea. i think we have our next segment coming up next? what is it? >> there's no real segue. >> what's the next on the list? >> there's no real segue from jay-z, but let me put it this way. 12 meem americans believe this country is run by lizard people. don't ask me, we'll tell you more when we come back.

if you think it's weird having bill o'reilly fighting with rush limbaugh or people getting ryan gosling tattoos. get a load of this. public policy polling asked 1200 americans, registered voters, about conspiracy theories. the results are phenomenal. 44 million people believe big foot really exists? >> the guy who shot the picture said he faked it. >> they didn't get that memo. 66 million people believe a ufo crashed at roswell. i've heard that plenty of times. my question here is, and i know this is bizarre. is america being run by lizard people? whatever that is. is america being run by lizard people. >> a lot of people believe america is being run by lizard people. they look a lot like rick. >> i guess you were one of the 1200 people they called.

>> this tells us about polling today and how ridiculous it is because you ask enough people. also, 7% of voters thought the moon landing was faked. 17% believe paul mccartney died in 1966. >> i also wonder if -- the internet has sort of double downed on this, we know people subscribe to these theorys in part because of cognitive dissidence. even if you know something is true, you go out and search for things that mean it's true, and you reject facts that contradict the narrative you have in your mind. you want to prove something's true there is something on the internet for everyone. >> there is a tendency for people especially in horrific events to believe there are larger forces at play, that this wasn't an act of violence or people who believe 9/11 was an

inside job somehow. i believe there's a psychological need for people to believe there are more malevolent forces at work. >> well, somehow there isn't chaos in the earth, there's a greater order at play. >> my wife used to be a high school teacher. she said high school kids are crazy about conspiracy theories. the reason is, they're trying to rebel. i think in this society people want to say, no, global warming is a hoax. >> it's not a conspiracy. >> paul mccartney. kennedy assassination. >> there was a time in this country -- >> explain the bullets. how -- there had to be two shooters, what do you mean there wasn't a conspiracy. >> time for bonus points. >> alicia, i want to give my bonus points to mark cuban. he said he's going to consider drafting a woman to the mavericks, she's 6'8", 14 dunks. she's a real pro, i just -- i don't buy it, guys. >> of course not.

>> there's no way she can play in the nba. >> it sounds good, the commissioner in basketball said within 10 years there could be a female nba player. you know what, it's much like barack obama giving back 5%. >> it's a stunt. >> it's a pr stunt. >> it's a good thing, but we'll see what happens. my bonus point goes to eric murdock. he played nine years in the nba. he was actually hired by rutgers coach mike rice to be the director of player development. now, mike rice should have hired him to be the director of coaching development. he's the guy that outed the tape to espn to get this guy fired. it should have been done months ago back in november. >> but good for eric mourdock. he did not get his contract renewed by the coach obviously. shame on him. >> my bonus point goes to senator from illinois, mark kirk, the second republican in the senate to come out in favor of same sex marriage in the last few weeks. it's particularly pivotal for the state of illinois right now, whose legislature is considering passing same sex marriage.

it's already passed in one house. if it passes, illinois will be the tenth state to pass same-sex marriage. it's great to he a republican in a pivotal state before the supreme court decides. >> it's happening. >> but yeah. kudos to him. >> my bonus point, jay leno, we talked about it last night on the show. he'll be stepping down at the end of his contract. here's a guy that's handled it with such elegance and dignity, doing the video last night to today coming out and saying, i wish jimmy luck. i hope he's in this chair. i'm going to the garage. jay leno will still have a lot to do in front of him. he went out on top and he's not going anywhere. he's also a great guy. >> brian banks, he was 16 years old, on the long beach poly high school football team. he was wrongly convicted of rape, spent six years in jail. the woman came out and recanted. he just got signed by the atlanta falcons of the nfl, it's the greatest comeback story of the decade.